<HTML><BODY style="word-wrap: break-word; -khtml-nbsp-mode: space; -khtml-line-break: after-white-space; "><DIV>Dec 1 08:23:05 localhost kernel: USBAx8817x: This product includes software developed by Bill Paul.</DIV><DIV>Dec 1 08:23:05 localhost kernel: Vendor: 0x41 0x53 0x49 0x58 0x20 0x45 0x6C 0x65 0x63 0x74 0x72 0x6F 0x6E 0x69 0x63 0x73 0x20 0x43 0x6F 0x72 0x70 0x2E </DIV><DIV>Dec 1 08:23:05 localhost kernel: model: 0x41 0x58 0x38 0x38 0xFFFFFFFF 0x37 0x32 </DIV><DIV>Dec 1 08:23:05 localhost kernel: revision: 0x31 0x2E 0x30 </DIV><DIV>Dec 1 08:23:05 localhost kernel: USBAx8817x: Version 1.0.1.</DIV><DIV>Dec 1 08:23:05 localhost kernel: USBAx8817x: Max packet size is = 1518.</DIV><DIV>Dec 1 08:23:05 localhost kernel: USBAx8817x: flags = 0x1CE.</DIV><DIV>Dec 1 08:23:05 localhost configd[102]: InterfaceNamer: failed to name the interface 0xe00002c2</DIV><BR><DIV><DIV>On 1-Dec-05, at 12:06 AM, Casey Halverson wrote:</DIV><BR class="Apple-interchange-newline"><BLOCKQUOTE type="cite"><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">SeattleWireless is not a "free internet hotspot provider".<SPAN class="Apple-converted-space"> </SPAN>We are</DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">simply not in this business.<SPAN class="Apple-converted-space"> </SPAN>Although many of us do operate open,</DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">free access points in high profile locations as a jump-on point to our</DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">network -- and perhaps the internet too.</DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><BR></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">SeattleWireless is in the business of building lots of point-to-point</DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">pipes in the Seattle area.<SPAN class="Apple-converted-space"> </SPAN>Transit on these pipes is, of course,</DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">free.<SPAN class="Apple-converted-space"> </SPAN>What do you do with these pipes?<SPAN class="Apple-converted-space"> </SPAN>well, its up to you.<SPAN class="Apple-converted-space"> </SPAN>Think</DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">of it as a giant LAN that spiderwebs across the city.</DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><BR></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">VoIP, video conferencing, high speed data transfers, games, etc. --</DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">all at nearly no latency.<SPAN class="Apple-converted-space"> </SPAN>Some of our sites are/can have backup</DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">power, which also makes our network resilient against natural or</DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">man-made disasters.</DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><BR></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">A bunch of linksys hot-spots scattered around a city connected to</DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">commodity internet is completely useless during these times -- or any</DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">for that matter.</DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><BR></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">The problem with building such a network in the Seattle area is the</DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">limitations of line-of-sight.<SPAN class="Apple-converted-space"> </SPAN>We simply have not found a high enough</DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">location yet to really reach any point in the city.<SPAN class="Apple-converted-space"> </SPAN>This new tower</DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">will give us this ability.</DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><BR></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">This new tower can also facilitate ad-hoc tie-ins, when needed.<SPAN class="Apple-converted-space"> </SPAN>This</DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">will not only make next field day a blast (yes, its happening again</DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">next year, i promise), but it makes emergency response a breeze</DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">because it is so flexible.</DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><BR></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">All that is required is a small, book-size directional antenna and a</DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">linux router that runs on about the same power as a nightlight.<SPAN class="Apple-converted-space"> </SPAN>Or</DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">perhaps a laptop with a book-size antenna attached.</DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><BR></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">Sounds exciting to me!</DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><BR></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">On 11/29/05, Daevid Vincent <<A href="mailto:daevid@daevid.com">daevid@daevid.com</A>> wrote:</DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE type="cite"><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">Can someone explain to me how this "works". What I mean is, there are plenty</DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">of free coffee shops and such. I almost never have trouble getting online in</DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">the city.</DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><BR></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">What happens when you put this node up? Is it just a 'free node' sitting</DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">there and I'll be able to jump on it from anywhere in range? What is that</DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">range? And how do these other nodes in the network apply? Can I drive around</DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">the city and be online without interruption? Where exactly is it (on a map)?</DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">What is the radius of this proposed node alone? What will be the coverage</DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">area with this new node in place and considering all the other nodes that</DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">will be linked to it (on a map)?</DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><BR></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">The Wiki page doesn't really answer any questions...</DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><A href="http://seattlewireless.net/fundraiser/">http://seattlewireless.net/fundraiser/</A></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><BR></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">I'm all about supporting a good cause. And I'm all about the belief that</DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">wifi should be free (I run a Linux box with 8dbi antenna in Redmond, and</DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">it's an open node). I'm not trying to troll, I'm just confused as to what</DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">the benefit of this is when there are thousands of open nodes in the city</DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">(albeit not linked together).</DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><BR></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">Sincerely,</DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><BR></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">Daevid.</DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><BR></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">_______________________________________________</DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">Dev mailing list</DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><A href="mailto:Dev@seattlewireless.net">Dev@seattlewireless.net</A></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><A href="http://seattlewireless.net/mailman/listinfo/dev">http://seattlewireless.net/mailman/listinfo/dev</A></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><BR></DIV> </BLOCKQUOTE><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">_______________________________________________</DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">Dev mailing list</DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><A href="mailto:Dev@seattlewireless.net">Dev@seattlewireless.net</A></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><A href="http://seattlewireless.net/mailman/listinfo/dev">http://seattlewireless.net/mailman/listinfo/dev</A></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><BR></DIV> </BLOCKQUOTE></DIV><BR><DIV> <P style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px"><FONT face="Arial" size="3" style="font: 12.0px Arial">Gerry Curry</FONT></P> <P style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px"><FONT face="Arial" size="3" style="font: 12.0px Arial">Curry Systems & Consulting</FONT></P> <P style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px"><FONT face="Arial" size="3" style="font: 12.0px Arial">546 Cedar Lake Rd, R.R. 1</FONT></P> <P style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px"><FONT face="Arial" size="3" style="font: 12.0px Arial">South Ohio, NS, B0W 3E0</FONT></P> <P style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px"><FONT face="Arial" size="3" style="font: 12.0px Arial">phone (902) 649-2368</FONT></P> <P style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px"><FONT face="Arial" size="3" style="font: 12.0px Arial"><A href="mailto:gerry@currysystems.com">gerry@currysystems.com</A></FONT></P> <P style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px"><FONT face="Arial" size="3" style="font: 12.0px Arial">www.currysystems.com</FONT></P> <P style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px; font: 12.0px Arial; min-height: 14.0px"><BR></P> <P style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px"><FONT face="Arial" size="3" style="font: 12.0px Arial">Authorized Apple Canada</FONT></P> <P style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px"><FONT face="Arial" size="3" style="font: 12.0px Arial">Value Added Reseller</FONT></P> <P style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px"><FONT face="Arial" size="3" style="font: 12.0px Arial">Netopia VAR</FONT></P> <P style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px"><FONT face="Arial" size="3" style="font: 12.0px Arial">Dantz Partner</FONT></P> <P style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px"><FONT face="Arial" size="3" style="font: 12.0px Arial">Apple Developer Connection</FONT></P> <P style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px; font: 12.0px Monaco; min-height: 16.0px"><BR></P> <P style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px"><FONT face="Times New Roman" size="3" style="font: 12.0px Times New Roman"><I>Never ask a man what computer he uses.<SPAN class="Apple-converted-space"> </SPAN></I></FONT></P> <P style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px"><FONT face="Times New Roman" size="3" style="font: 12.0px Times New Roman"><I>If it's a Mac, he'll tell you. 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